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  Mind control.

  by New day in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a recent thread someone mentioned that the wtbts uses mind control techniques.

  do you think this is a conscious ploy?

  if it is it would mean that the leaders of my religion (i am still an active jw) set out consciously to control people.

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  An organization that publicly rebrands their own ''lying'' as ''theocratic warfare'' is likely involved in much worse.
  
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  Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

  by flipper in

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  2. child-abuse

  these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

  and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

  one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

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  ..in other words...

  - lawyers are great! (we've got scores of them working for us) Lawyers who help others - not so great at all.

  - ''authorities'' = ''complications'' when you are trying to completely hide ''.. a cause for increasing concern.''

  - we really hate ''...successful litigation by those offended.''
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Blues Brother -

  Thanks especially for that point from ''Shepherd the Flock'' 2010. Chapter 5 pg. 40

  + Is the person willing to meet with a commitee,

  thus admitting accountability to the Christian

  congregation?

  Important detail for leavers and faders here, - never meet with congregation officials - it turns your exit or your progressive fade back to zero, and reestablishes elders continuing ecclesiastic authority over you.

  It is exactly these type of distinctions that establish your ''free will'' in human rights hearings.
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Vidiot -

  I suspect Phizzy is correct in the reasoning that the label inactive (but still a JW) gives them the imagined perpetual control they want.

  They think they can fill that box with inactive, for years after the person has reclaimed their freedom, and eventually DF or DA them as an act of ecclesial authority.

  The example of Norman Hancock may well become our model.
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  OneEyedJoe-

  You are correct - it was a long time ago- a real bombastic quote from one of the old guard.

  I've seen it within the past year and, now I need it staight from the magazine likely Watchtower.
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Phizzy -

  You have hit the nail squarely on the head!

  This is the distinction I hope to make - that people who have intentionally abandoned the religion, are purposefully mislabelled by the hounders as inactive.

  They are not present tense inactive, they are done, faded, escaped, past tense GONE, present tense free persons.

  The fact that many of these people are hassled years after reclaiming their own freedom, is a violation of their rights to religious freedom.

  The old quotes I am hoping someone can find substantiate that the act of abandonment is or can be the most powerful demonstration of the exercise of a religious freedom.
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

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  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Blondie -

  Thanks for the reply.

  There were a couple really dogmatic quotes from years gone by that I can't locate... quotes that unequiviocally asserted that those not preaching were not JWs.

  The quotes may have been from times prior to the term ''inactive'' appearing on time cards.
  

  
  
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  Why do people "come back"?

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.

  i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..

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  I think that scenario from past times will become less and less common.

  Many examples are from pre-internet times when the ostracism actually excluded people - now to be freed from the life wasting cults persuits is more likely to lead to a person expanding both their knowledge base and social contacts and skills.

  Truth be told, most peoples lives improve in many ways not really likely while still indide the borg.
  
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all. The point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''
  

  I know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of Rutherford or Knorr ,

  Can any of you researchers here find some of these references with your CD library scanning methods?

  I sincerely beg your assistance as it will part of a human rights challenge,

  These quotes will help in making the point that - ''a deliberate and conscious decision to cease performing the public works of a religion (whose raison d'etre is those works) is a legitimate and obvious public expression of abandonment of that religion.''

  I'd appreciate your input as well .
  
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  Do you know any books written by Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found once a list on the internet on novels about the new world written by jehovah's witnesses.

  don't seam to find it anymore.

  does any of you happen to know any novels about the new world?

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  Watch How We Walk by Jennifer Lovegrove 2013
  

  This book made it to the long list for the 2014 Giller Prize for Literature here in Canada.

  I got it from our local library last fall and enjoyed the read.

  Everything that happened within this JW family, happened to my family -everything.
  

  I made sure to tell the librarian that it is a very accurate depiction of the private pressures, that being JW thrusts upon ordinary families and that the end is sadly too realistic.

  Don't join this cult -if you're already in , leave now.